I think it's not more than logical that IF they want one game for ESWC 2013 in terms of TrackMania, that they pick Stadium. It's been going on for ages now and in my eyes the level is just higher than in Canyon. The argument that the same players are still on the top is invalid, as we see new players reaching that very high level each year (Royal, PokeR, Asserich and many more) and it's not like old players are 'dominating' or something.

Besides that, who cares Stadium² is still in Beta? I think we've seen many 'beta' titles at world cups or big events, such as CS:GO and Starcraft II: Wings of Liberty/Heart of the Swarm. Besides that, if you would have played (which you could have, but I don't understand the comment then), it's not like it's in some sort of alpha mode where it would be unthinkable to have tournaments with it.. it's more or less finished, just some final tweaks to make it better I guess. ALSO, the tournament is in a few months.. I'm sure that at the time the game will be released.

Seriously, I don't dislike the community of Canyon (well, if Laurens wouldn't have made these comments I'd have a little clearer view about it, but one person doesn't make a community ;-)), but I don't think it's a that weird of a choice and I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have thought it would be a weird choice if I, for instance, would have been a Canyon player.

Too bad for you that there is no tournament more at ESWC, but I'm sure other tournaments will step up. If people enjoy Canyon more than Stadium, they should play that and create tournaments with that.

Maybe the Stadium drivers, specially frost, can explain me why stadium is better for the esport as canyon ?!? Only coz Stadium have more active players? yes its true. But stadium have still the same worldclass drivers on each cup. or not ?

Well I believe I did write a couple of more things besides the active players point that makes Stadium better as an esport, I guess you missed those.
And yes there are a lot of good players in the game that I think can become a world champion in compare to Canyon. As I also wrote, the game has had 7 different world champions in 7 years. That's a remarkable fact.
And the more people that get that chance to play, the better the competition will obviously be, and that's what should be the goal here, because right now we're just standing still/dying.

Next think is: Sure the esl cup mode is more fair for the players, but the normal cup mode is more exciting for the viewers... thats the fact!

Have you actually experienced this mode yourself? It doesn't sound like you have. To be honest, I haven't heard from anyone that has tried or watched the mode in action that think this is a bad mode for competitions. Why not give it a chance? The normal Cup Mode has not developed whatsoever since it got introduced, but it's still used just because it's the standard in the game (and it's hylis' baby). But that shouldn't mean anything imo.

furthermore, this cup mode hasn't to be changed.. Although I understand your points, because I've only bad memories of this mode :( but sometimes, I know sure it gives you also luck..

And what is the best? Having two really small tournament? Or one bigger than it was last year (I hope ths team there will be more than 8 slots).

fB I'm against ESL Cup mode checkout why on the MP forum post.

Laulau Gosh so much hate from you that I didn't expected... Laurens you are a friendly and really cool guy in real life and I hope you told this just because of raging...

You guys are making me sick. All those Cayon players think their game is the best and should replace stadium. You guys are so narrow-minded.

Grow up.

CS 1.6 is not the same as GO and by far, SM-Quake too, LoL-Dota too, your argument is invalid here. Same goal but way dofferent gameplay (like nation annd canyon). This is the logical way for a game to grow up. But you are to selfish to see that.

You are making me sick, canyon at ESWC would unified all community, because tmn players will do this tournament ($$$$$), tmn players can win this tournament (because the game is a lot easier), and so canyon and nation will be together. With only tmn, beh only tmn players, because canyon guys can't compete in your game, and if a canyon player give a shot he will do nothing.

So the result is here, instead of having 2 comunity in one game, you have one comunity in one game, and one who is not happy (and that's normal)

I never said canyon should die and let all the space to nations. ESWC admins had to take one game, they picked Stadium for some reasons: Bigger community, more players, known by more people. That's it. Accept the fact.

I would have love to see both games, because they are both fun to watch. I enjoyed watching the final last year in Canyon..Furthermore, you are saying canyon is a far more easy game than Stadium? I disagree. You are saying canyon guys can't play stadium beacause it's too hard... So, according to you, which game should be shown at ESWC? A game with a high skilled ratio of players, or a easier game where the skills needed is inferior?

I'm not saying that you shouldn't play canyon and go to Stadium, but saying that you CAN'T play stadium is invalid. Before saying such a thing, grow some balls :)

Bigger community, more players, known by more people. That's it. Accept the fact.

I'm not really sure about this. It's TM2 Stadium and not TMNF as mentioned several times before. So is the competitive scene here really bigger than the one in Canyon?

Canyon is still new so there's no danger for it to die.

Lol.