Nous souhaitons remercier Diesel, Dreammy, luxxiz, Microstar, MuNgLo, m0zahh, Nils, platernity, ShoxyZ, Viperbird et wabbitface d'avoir participé pour choisir la liste des 9 maps que nous vous proposons.

Tous ceux qui se sont proposés pour tester ont été accepté même s'ils font des maps. Chacun a donné sa liste et une liste globale a été faite. Le temps que l'aspect neutre est là je ne vois pas de soucis. Peut-être plus tard l'interdire mais il y a trop peu de personnes motivés à mapper et/ou tester pour le faire.

#3 Il y a eu beaucoup de maps, environ 110, mais il y avait 85-90% qui n'étaient pas viable. Après il y a eu des modifications sur des maps, certaines ont eu 9 versions pour les améliorer.

I'd like to see Doth & Cloudlight disappear. They werent bad maps, but there are way better maps imo!

allez allez vote :p

I hope this time not too many maps get changed around as it could basically cause only the newest once getting replaced. Teams are starting to addapt to some of the newer ones or at least giving them a try - same was with the IPL maps at the beginning, so let's see if there is a new Spitfire or Rust around :)

Vote vote vote shootmania players! and dont forget to play/test the maps on the servers! Some of them are realy good !

MfG iPLAY. fl4TTi

My question is: why do you want to force 5 new maps in when only 4 maps of the 9 are good. I've taken a few hours to try them out and came to the conclusion that Malevolence, Golden Rush, Gouge and Starifish are playable _in my opinion_. I've only added Jilted because i had to vote for 5, but i really do not think it's a good map. This makes me wonder if it's an idea to give the option to add old maps that havent been played for months like Crossroads, Archways, Fortress. This way the maplist does not become weak because of the lack of _good_ new maps.

Obviously this is just my opinion. I would like to see what u guys think about it.

No point of making a new maplist with shitty maps when you already have good maps to play on! Only add good new maps.

We don't want to add old maps because it's not possible to move in the direction where players make maps and learn how use the map editor. At the beginning it's difficult to have an excellent mappack but it's better in the long term.

For me the problem is different. We only see one type of maps, always the same. I would like to see 2 or 3 types of maps (like reversed spawns for example) to test other possibility and make the game less boring. We see the same maps and the same strategy. After a few rounds/maps in a stream, it begin to be boring I think.

To have better maps, we need always testers, people want to give advice to mappers, test different ways, different styles...

It's impossible to have a perfect mappack, each player prefer a kind of maps. We choose to make a mappack of 9 maps because we want to try to purpose different maps to satisfy more players. You don't like a map, you can ban it like now and you will have always a "good" map for your match.

It is a possibility to have 4 current good maps + 4 new good maps + 1 old good map.

Cheers.

first poll: witch maps to keep?(here we put Current and old maps, ALL OF THEM!)

then poll number 2: What new maps we want?(here we put the new maps.)

so we got 6 old maps, and 3 new maps.

i think this would be the absolute BEST! people will try to make new maps, and we can still play this game with good competetive maps!

because as it looks now, you only made this game worse by forceing theese retarded maps, that no one even like but we where forced to have them!

My opinion: 6old maps and 3 new ones!
Please mania-actu, concider this!

We need _one_ strong maplist with good maps. There is a reason why EVERYONE veto's the cloudlight, dawn & dawn, esca etc. We don't want another scenario like that. I am afraid it will happen again. Aries talked to me on TS about his idea and I like it. I also think Mania Actu should include (try to contact) the top teams in order to get their opinions. I don't wanna sound elitist but I don't want public_hero_12(FRA) voting on our maplist.

Also I agree on bringing back old maps. Some maps need changes because the metagame has changed alot but so we can get something fresh. I dont know, I really dont know what to do. Something needs to be done but I feel this aint the way. :/

For the vote, for me, everyone need to be able to vote and not only the top team. Maybe a solution can be to separate in two part a list of top players and all other players and make an average.

For old maps the risk is to have all time the same maps and never change. When I see the SM community in overall, I think it will be the case. Players say the game is boring, etc... but the selection of maps is one parameter where players can decide to purpose differents style of maps to make the game less boring.

Maybe a model can be 3 new maps, 3 maps in the list of the 12 last new maps (all maps of the last year), and 3 maps in a list of "vintage" maps (Nadeo maps of the alpha/beta for beginning and after all other old maps).

It requires to adapt some old maps but I don't think Nadeo will make it and it's difficult a version where everyone agreed.

I hope we can work this out to keep the competitive scene alive with a lot of good maps that show some variation of the game! :)

Which we can read as "if we don't get our way, we're not gonna care". Seriously, cry harder. (Also, imagine someone differing in opinons on what maps and gameplay they want. Yes, call that shit reasons because you disagree, way to get your point across)

The map that is Microstars map now is nothing like the first version he did. And how did it end up like this? IT got playtested and he got feedback, so now you have a version you like.

What happened in our test tournament? You didn't even want to test maps, much less give feedbacks on the maps. IT was all one big cryfest from your and other people from Sweden too "Buuuhuuu, this is just public maps, the only good one is Malevolence"

Then help improve them instead! Seriously, what you've done and what you say should be done makes no fucking sense whatsoever. And why should they ask top teams for any opinions? If you don't get your way you just cry and lose motivation anyway.

I'll agree that the current method of making map packs isn't ideal. Hell, last map pack proved that, which is why things got changed around this time around.

And not giving proper feedback is hurting the selectionprocess. So you're partially to blame yourself if you don't like that maps that we can vote for.